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From firstname.lastname@example.org Thu Mar 06 09:20:14 1997
From: email@example.com (Kris Nosack)
Date: 6 Mar 1997 15:20:14 -0000
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Last-Modified: November 24, 1996
Welcome to comp.lang.basic.visual.* (clbv.*)!
This letter serves as a short introduction to clbv.* and attempts to answer the
1. what VB newsgroups are there?
2. VB 4 - what's the scoop?
3. where can I get the FAQs, and why do people keep telling me to RTFM?
4. what's the Knowledge Base, " " " " " " " " "
5. what's clbv.* netiquette?
Any suggestions on improving this welcome letter are appreciated.
1. There are 4 newsgroups related to Microsoft's Visual Basic (VB):
VB methods, controls, language, API, techniques etc
add-on tools for VB (commercial, shareware, freeware)
VB database controls, applications and tools
faqs, product announcements, etc
moderated by vbasic-request@CC.UManitoba.CA
PLEASE! No cross-posting among the groups :-)
2. VB 4.0 has been available since Nov/Dec95. You can get information about VB4
from the following sources on the web:
http://www.apexsc.com/vb/vb4.html - Carl & Gary's VB4 page
http://www.microsoft.com/kb/faq/devtools/vb/vb40/ - Microsoft's VB4 FAQ
http://www.windx.com - VBPJ (Visual Basic Programer's Journal)
3. The clbv.* FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) answer many common
questions - if you're new to clbv.*, PLEASE CHECK THE FAQS BEFORE POSTING.
There currently are 3 FAQs for this group:
1. GENERAL (intro to VB (DOS and Win), and info about
comp.lang.basic.visual.* (aka clbv.*)), including
recommended books and magazines
3. VB/Win - very comprehensive VB3 info, not much VB4 info yet
They are posted to clbv.* once a month (on the 5th).
*NOTE* The WWW version of the VB/Win FAQ which used to be at
"http://puta.gurunet.org/vb/" has moved to
"http://home.sol.no/jansh/vb/default.htm". You are encouraged to use
the WWW version as it is may be more current than the text version
that is posted to the VB newsgroups.
To get the latests FAQs via ftp:
a) ftp "rtfm.mit.edu" - all parts of the VB FAQ are in the
or b) you can get the FAQs in help file format (.hlp) which
contains all the VB/Win FAQS - available from
quasar.sba.dal.ca in /www/hlp/vbfaq.hlp
NB: the General FAQ is _not_ included, so make
sure you get it (via ftp or from clbv.*) as well.
To get the latests FAQs via WWW:
See Carl & Gary's VB HomePage http://www.apexsc.com/vb/ - you
can find clbv.* news archives there as well.
To get the latests FAQs if you don't have ftp:
have the VB FAQs e-mailed to you by sending a message to
"firstname.lastname@example.org" with ONLY the text
"send usenet/news.answers/visual-basic-faq/*" in the body of
4. The Knowledge Base (KB) is an ever-increasing repository of
information (in help file format) from Microsoft. You received a small
version with VB, but it has been expanded SUBSTANTIALLY since then. There
are three ways to get current KB information:
a) To search the latest version of the KB see
b) A recent (quarterly) KB is included with all levels of the MSDN
(Microsoft Developer's Network CD Library).
c) If you really must download the lastest version, see
VBKB_32.EXE 1.8mb 1/30/96 VB 4.0 (32 BIT)
VBKB_16.EXE 5.5mb 1/30/96 VB 4.0 (16 BIT)
5. The people in clbv.* are very friendly and helpful - and have a great
sense of humor. Clbv.* 'netiquette' is pretty informal, however there are
some 'posting guidelines':
a) state the version of VB you're using (eg. 2.0/3.0/4.0 Ent/Pro/Std);
the type of VB (VB/Win 16/32-bit, VB/Dos); the database if
applicable (eg. Access v1.1/2.0/95); the control if applicable (eg.
ListBox); the error message you're receiving.
b) Ensure you check the following sources of information before
- VB manuals/help-files/sample files
- FAQs / VBTips&Tricks
(nb. search in the above order will almost always find the
answer, or at least allow to you ask a better question...)
c) Don't ask for replies via e-mail (if the QUESTION is worth
posting, the ANSWER will be valuable to everyone in the group).
Also, it implies YOUR time is more valuable than THEIRS, since
you're expecting _them_ to read all the posts to see yours, yet
_you're_ not willing to scan the subjects to see their reply.
d) when following up on a posting, please delete any non-relevant
lines from the original post (including header and sig). Posting
more than 10 lines from the original post is TOO MUCH. Posting no
lines from the original is TOO LITTLE.
ALSO, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT EACH TIME YOU POST, YOU'RE ASKING A COMPLETE
STRANGER TO SPEND TIME HELPING YOU:
- if the answers you receive are not what you wanted, DON'T
FLAME!, just post a follow-up note thanking the respondants for
their suggestions so far, and provide a clarified problem
- if you receive no responses, DON'T PANIC!, give it a couple of
days: it takes a while for postings to propagate around the
world; sometimes your posting is similar to one posted in the
previous couple of weeks and people are sick of the topic (check
your news server's archive); sometimes your question is a 'toughie'
which requires some thinking/research time; and sometimes everyone's
just too busy.
If you get no reply after a week, try again with additional
clarification, and consider using the following format:
i) FLATTERY SECTION: "I've learned a lot from the FAQs and
watching the postings for the last month, but now I have
a really tough problem for you gurus"
ii) PROBLEM DESCRIPTION: _consise_ description of your problem
or question, including a _small_ code fragment if
iii) BEGGING FOR HELP: "I've checked the FAQs, Help and KB
etc... any advice would be appreciated (please post
reponses to this newsgroup as I don't read my e-mail
- if the answers are useful, a quick _e-mail_ thanking the
respondant(s) is always appreciated
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